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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:36:00 -
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This CSM convinced CCP to address the massive botting in the drone regions which has crashed mineral prices. They've done a very good job representing miner interests. I explained this to you in direct answer to your question in this thread. So I'll say it again. I was a highsec hulk pilot a few years ago because it was a way to make descent isk/hour while doing other RL stuff. The market crashed so hard because of botting that it stopped being viable even in an afk capacity. This CSM understood that and acted.
I'm a member of the demographic you keep addressing with talking points like "miners unite" and I'm telling you that it in no way represents us or our interests. I support Mittens and a lot of the other block candidates because they really do understand highsec industry better than you.
You went back to the same meaningless rhetoric after literally posting a thread a few days ago asking for reasons why non-block voters back block candidates. You were answered by myself and others. Furthermore, a lot of the goons were actually asking you questions and giving you feedback which could have strengthened your campaign. Some of the most gentle trolling I've ever seen the goons do was in this thread. Enough with these talking points and haughty anti-nullsec sentiment. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:A hulk owner that supports the folks that like to explode his hulk for giggles that says I don't understand high sec miners. Yep, that's right. Hulks exploding is good for business because it reduces the amount of people mining and jacks up mineral prices. A lot of people who get suicide ganked have no one but themselves to blame.
Issler Dainze wrote:Mining is more than isks/hour. It can be made much better in terms of fun per hour. No one in the CSM 6 did anything to expand the mining experience. And to claim that CSM 6 somehow get more interest on the part of CCP to counter botting is simply insane. Actually for most of us it isn't. Fun per hour is isk per hour to most miners. The CSM 6 got CCP to make changes in order to combat the effect botting in the drone regions was having on mineral prices. Removing the ability for RMT companies to destroy mineral prices is greatly expanding the mining experience. This botting has been going on for years and other CSMs, for whatever reason, were unable to get CCP to act. Mittens and co deserve some credit for this.
Also, Mittens is capable of giving CCP some bad PR. I'm not lauding him as eve's Machiavelli, I'm saying that he has more influence in gaming media than you(and most of the other candidates). But more importantly, he helped get the CSM to present a more united front on relevant issues. Such as communication between members during meetings with CCP, etc.
Issler Dainze wrote:NO high sec miner can really support Mittens unless they like the experience of being in their barges while the are exploded by griefers. I do, because anyone who takes the right precautions can substantially reduce their risks. I mined during some periods where Jihadswarm was very active. Mining was more fun when I planned in case goons or other players showed up to kill me. In fact, I used to watch Jihadswarm youtube videos while mining. I can laugh at something that might screw me ingame. In fact it really makes me enjoy this game and as a result, life.
Issler Dainze wrote:I am not anti-null, I am anti-null exclusive focus, all of Eve needs to have balanced attention from CCP. That hasn't been the case for some time. You're flat out misrepresenting what the CSM has done this past year. The botting issue is an example something that greatly benefits highsec players. They've also done a number of things with the UI. Even if other CSMs discussed these changes, this CSM actually convinced CCP to implement them. Everything this CSM has done is a matter of public record.
Nullsec at the moment has some major problems and it deserves to be addressed more heavily than many issues in high sec. A team of five people working on WiS is more than enough for example.
Issler Dainze wrote:But thanks for posting, I enjoy the goon and goon alt bumps. I'm not a goon, but keep telling yourself that. Keep telling yourself that it's just goons flaming you instead of a fundamental rejection of your vague platform by many of the people you claim to represent. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:08:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that. Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP? There you go again.
Seriously though, at this point you're just being dishonest. Drop this charade of the upstanding high sec industrialist giving a voice to miners everywhere.
The mineral market has been ruined by RMT. Prices got so bad I sold my mining toon and pursued other things. This CSM convinced CCP to do something about it. I think I will make some catalyst alts. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:28:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.
I am definitely against RMT.
Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.
If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.
The troll is strong in this one.....
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I didn't lie. I said I was a miner. The main reason I sold my mining toon is because there was no money in it. Because the mineral market was destroyed. And Mittens and co convinced CCP to make changes in the drone regions so mineral prices would be more attractive to miners. You have deliberately ignored this fact in post after post.
I've been in a number of corps as a casual player. I've done many activities at various points during my time in eve. And at no point did I consider voting for you. I started posting in response to your question about why empire dwellers voted for Mittens. Then I decided to post in this thread when it was clear you weren't trying to get real information from your other thread. You've just been parroting the same thing people have shot down again and again at this point - that the current CSM has done nothing for mining which is a lie. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:03:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs. You need to read my earlier posts more closely. You ignored what I actually wrote. Go re-read some of my posts and if you have a problem quote them here.
Also, why did you not mention this in your initial platform and instead focus on an arbitrary change in mining mechanics which is to have more "fun per hour" instead of the far more populist issue with mineral prices?
Issler Dainze wrote:So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons? This character is my main. I find it odd you didn't bring this up when I first posted in your other thread.
Issler Dainze wrote:If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for. It's not a question of how you responded. It's the fact that you kept parroting false talking points which said that the CSM nothing to address problems with mining and the like. My first post was a direct response to your question in your other thread.
It's not "blindly" discrediting something if I've read your vague platform and then weighed it against my own experiences ingame and arguments from other members of the eve community.
Issler Dainze wrote:So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp! If the mineral market is bad, it doesn't matter how good your corp is. The hit you take to your isk/hour is unacceptable either way. And speaking from experience as a miner, most miners mine for isk. "FUN PER HOUR" and isk per hour are one and the same.
Again you really need to read my posts more closely. How can I post with a "main" that I sold? You even quoted the fact that I sold it and now you want me to post on it. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that.
I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mains ) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting.
If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign.
The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base.
You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:07:00 -
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This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:31:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever....... How can I go on.... Issler Sigh
Ascribing something to me I never said or implied. I took the liberty to bold some parts of my last post for you. |
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 06:52:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:You claim this thread is full of lies. How can that not imply my future political doom, unless you believe that voters like candidates that lie, which would go a long way to explain you. It is full of lies. Anyone can read your past statements and see the contradictions and denials.
Issler Dainze wrote:I stand by everything I've posted. You are the alt that only revealed it when it suited your deceit. And? I've already stated in detail why that's just not True. You've just gone back to saying "ALT, ALT" as if that discredits all the facts I've pointed out. Even if what you said were True, it wouldn't change the fact that you've ignored the information itself.
Deceit At no point in any of my posting did I imply that I'd done all of the activities which I discussed on this toon. You wrongly inferred that. Read my posts and you'll notice that I used the past tense. And everything relating to the activities I discussed was True to begin with. It didn't "suit my deceit" because there was no deceit![Shocked](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_shocked.png) ![Shocked](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_shocked.png) ![Shocked](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_shocked.png)
Issler Dainze wrote:I've got no issue with this or any other thread I've posted in. That's irrelevant. Anyone can read your contradictions in this thread and see what myself and others are pointing out. You don't address any of your conflicting information and statements. This makes it clear you're lying to save face.
You so embody the self-righteous, dishonest highsec dwelling carebear who ceaselessly tries to rally anyone and everyone around them in order to get things which they don't deserve under the guise of faux pas righteous anger. I just can't resist posting in your dead campaign thread.
Also, just because you type stuff after quoting me doesn't mean you've addressed the point. |
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